One of his great friends is the father of Tom Wheatcroft, the John Cleveland fly half.
But he has left the coaching to Leicester stars Graham Rowntree, Ollie Smith, Sam Vesty and Luke Myhring who have all kept close links with John Cleveland and want the name of one of England's best rugby state schools on the Under 15 Cup as well as the Under 18 Plate (now Vase) which they won in 1996.
For centre Smith, a real prospect for England's next World Cup team, and fly half Vesty, it is also a chance to put the record straight. They were both in John Cleveland's 1997 Under 15 team who lost narrowly in the semi-finals after leading at half time.