"Oh, I'm very girly," she says. "I love to talk about diets, exercise, kids, make-up ..." She's pretty canny. She tells me she uses a brand called Classified which, conveniently, she is the face of. She takes out her can of foundation and sprays it on her face. "Look!" she says, like an overexcited teenager. "Doesn't my skin look smooth?" I tell her it does, but it looked pretty unwrinkled for a woman of 36 in the first place.