“I spoke to him when I went through some of the more troubled times with England in the 09-10 era. I spoke to him on the phone a lot.
“I spoke to Catty for a long time when I was considering retirement from internationals. I was asking his advice from the outside, where did he think I was going? I needed that.
“So for him to pick my brains on the occasional thing, especially around certain parts of the game and certain things is awesome — I feel I am giving something.”