The interview had started very well, with Mr Caborn defending the Government's attitude to football, discussing the plans for Wembley, explaining the resignation of Derek Casey as chairman of Sport England and answering tough questions from the co-presenters Charlie Whelan and Iain Dale. As government ministers go, he sounded extremely enthusiastic, well informed and likeable, and I was sure that he would have read the Sunday morning sports supplements, particularly as he knew he was coming on the programme.