Philip Cox, capped 16 times by Australia at scrum half and a colleague of Woodward's at Manly, remembers it well. 'Maybe that's where it all began between them,' he said. 'It's as likely a place as any because Randwick was the big game and Eddie was pretty good on the gab. There'd have been a fair bit of sledging. I don't know whether Eddie caught Clive at the bottom of the ruck and gave him plenty, or whether it was something else, but it doesn't take much these days for one to have a go at the other.