The popularity of Tate Modern came as a shock. "We projected we would get 2.5 million visitors," Sir Nicholas recalls. His projections for the old Tate, rebranded as Tate Britain, were nearer the mark: attendances have dropped to 1.2 million from the 1.8 million who flocked the previous year to the then Tate Gallery. "It did not surprise me," he says. "If you are in London for a couple of days and you have the choice between going to the new Tate Modern or Tate Britain, then you go to Tate Modern.