'I went to stay in St Tropez at Amanda Eliasch's [the socialite photographer and ex-wife of the sportswear mogul Johan Eliasch], with a helicopter landing pad and an infinity pool and it was amazing.' She went with Tracey Emin, Paul Fryer and a few others. 'Artists love a freebie.' And millionaires love having artists around. 'Yes, it does work perfectly.' She has also been on the yacht of London's premier art-collecting couple, the Finnish millionaire Poju Zabludowicz and his wife Anita, where they keep some of their work. 'A lot of upper-class people are the most liberal people I know,' she says. 'I'm not from that part of society at all, but I've always liked people who are, on the whole; always found them entertaining and open-minded. They just live and let live, like the working class. It's the middle class who are
all "do-this-don't-do-that".' She wants above all things to be self-sufficient financially, never to depend on anyone or any grant. The arithmetic of art, however, is difficult. Departures, a bronze flying machine carried by 30 assorted birds, sold for £85,000, 'which sounds like an enormous figure but take off £25,000 for production, halve it with the gallery and you have £30,000. Tax is £12,000, so you end up with £18,000. It took me so long, all the planning and ambition that goes into it. I'm not complaining, it was a personal landmark, and figures like that move you into a different territory. It's just a huge relief when it sells and you're assured of your rent for another year.'