Their second release, out later this month, is Mahler's fifth symphony, and its short-comings are rather more disturbing. In the opening bugle calls, notes are held fractionally too long, pauses are distended and the first movement threatens to break down. The second and third movements are convincingly stormy, but the romantic Adagietto is over-cautious and though the finale has an authentic Viennese swagger, the entirety is unconvincing. Dudamel, as he readily admits, has much to learn. The potential, though, is uncontested. "A talent like Dudamel comes around very seldom", one of America's top concertmasters tells me. "I, in my 40 years of playing in different orchestras, have never seen anybody like him." Ed Smith, who hired Dudamel for the Gothenburg Symphony Orchestra, compares him to Rattle at the same age, when Smith was Rattle's manager in Birmingham.