In the late 1980s, Radio 3 controller John Drummond also sought to abolish it but met with immovable resistance. "The audience varies between 250,000 and 500,000 each week, which is pretty good for a Radio 3 programme," says current producer Stephen Shipley, who is also an Anglican priest. "It is a spiritual oasis in the lives of many. One hardly needs to add that in times of world tension like the present, the value of such beacons of solace increases immeasurably."