He has, he says, consciously decided to be a very different kind of father. He is very hands-on with his four-week-old baby girl, Freya. "I am very happy," he says. "Donna is an amazing woman and a wonderful mother. I wouldn't have bred with her if I didn't think that." Bred? "Can't help it," he says. "I always go back to animal terminology." Within the next few weeks, and with Donna's full approval, he will give the baby to the gorillas. "It's a ritual," he says. "I'll probably give her to the dominant female who will then take her off, sex her, and introduce her to the others. I did this with my other daughters, now it's Freya's turn." That's very trusting of him, I say. He looks startled. "But why would I not trust them?" he says. "I know them. I grew up with them. They are my friends." He tells me he has a small but very loyal band of human friends. He makes few new friends. Most recent are Natalie Appleton and her husband Liam Howlett (no connection to the zoo). It turns out, much to his surprise, that having been banned from music, he's a rather good songwriter. "I wrote the Appletons' hit single Don't Worry and four songs on their album." He's very proud of this. "I've written one about Donna ... it's probably very soppy but I like it." I imagine he's a pretty formidable foe. He tells me that if someone doesn't show loyalty to him, he cuts them out of his life forever. "I need to know that if my back is against the wall, my friends are there for me. If someone doesn't back me then they're out. I am the most loyal person you could find." In that he sounds more like his father than he'd probably care to. After all, it was Aspinall senior who became famous not so much for his work with his animals but for supposedly spiriting Lord Lucan away after he'd murdered his nanny. "But what people never really understood about my father is that he loved his animals more than anything. What people don't know about me is that, as much as I love the animals, I also love real breathing humans. I think that's the right way round," he says. "Don't you?"