I would not bank on them losing. The management side in this dispute comprises their employer, laughably Mr Livingstone, the local authorities negotiating team, the "fire minister" Nick Raynsford and the Deputy Prime Minister, John Prescott. That broth has too many cooks. Worse, Downing Street's emergency unit is involved, which has never knowingly beaten a powerful lobby. Messrs Gilchrist, Crow and Rix have never known defeat.