But, I blurt, Death In Venice had eight performances, and Satyagraha nine. The musicals had 38! It showed such a lack of belief in the core work of the company, in what the chorus and orchestra can achieve. 'No. We also had an enormous mix of work,' repeats Berry calmly. He is anxious to stress some of his positive points: Two Olivier Awards over two years; plenty of international co-productions, including with the New York Met; target attendance achieved last year. Also, an innovative web-streaming programme is just about to start.